http://hindustan.org/forum india hindustan org india political forums en Thu, 15 May 2008 02:41:33 GMT vBulletin 60 http://hindustan.org/forum/images/misc/rss.jpg http://hindustan.org/forum http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3414&goto=newpost Fri, 09 May 2008 17:54:08 GMT After years and years of corruption and dictatorship of The biggest nut of India JL Nehru and her extremely corrupted daughter Indira Gandhi, we had... After years and years of corruption and dictatorship of The biggest nut of India JL Nehru and her extremely corrupted daughter Indira Gandhi, we had a respite when a coalition of disparate political interests came in power defeating Indira Gandhi after literally 30 years of the Nehru family grip.

The main objective of the biggest coalition was to topple the Congress read Nehru/Indira Party in real terms. They were not concerned at that time with major economic issues and social liberties but focused all their energy on how to remove this monster of Indira Gandhi who destroyed Indian democracy into a sham circus and sold herself to Soviet union for cheap, destroying lives of millions of Indians.

What you see today on streets of India, millions of poor biharis and bengalis begging around all metro cities is the direct result of bad policies of Congress and its two leaders as I mention above.
You must understand economics, politics and social engineering to understand this simple yet complex problem which is Indian economic system and its grinding.

The nonsense of growth hype that was supposedely activated by Manmohan Singh in 91 was NOT really activated by Congress but by the sheer necessity because India had LITERALLY NO funds left to pay its external debt.
We were bankrupt.

The real story is that we were sovietized communism which was run by Indira gandhi and her secret army of sychophants. What actually happened after Rajiv Gandhi died is that a genuine thinker even though a not so attractive politician came into power narsimha rao.
Manmohan singh and his bureaucrats at that time were forced to think of something to get India out of economic mess. So they simply said: De regulate and open the economy.

That was the ONLY policy gradually adapted which continues till today and after 16 years of that OPEN NESS what we have today is a diminutive progress mainly on paper but in real terms it is growth of numbers.
Most economic changes that you see today are NOT because of Congress or because of our genious economists but because of sheer big population that we have which demand more rights and openness as the private television entered homes from 92 onwards.

Before 91 the television was a state monopoly. Indira Gandhi even controlled the news bulletin of Door darshan each evening through her PRESS guy.

Once Indians saw on television that rich had such a great life even though it was hyped many times, they started copying or aping that dream and thus grew a great desire to be rich.

This desire was also implanted on China and S Korea during the same years as seen by my own eyes where I went for Business from 83 to 95.
The difference was that in these countries government was with the people whereas in India the government is Against the people.

SO in this yo yo of Indian people versus Indian government formed by police, civil services and politicians some Indian people bought a fridge, cell phone and a few minor consumer items and some of our media started writing stories of 100 million strong consumer middle class which ballooned to 300 by end 90s.

Now by just acquiring a phone, fridge or few appliances we do not become middle class. This foolish and difficult to deal idea is not understood by our people. They have started THINKING that they are middle class when in reality they do not even know the meaning of MIDDLE Class.


They have NO class at all to be frank! Indira and Nehru on paper thought of a class less society but there was only one class and that was formed by power grabbers, their secretaries, industrialists who ran factories with licenses given by JL Nehru and Indira gandhi and later by Rajiv gandhi.

ALL else which was 99.5% of India had no CLASS.
This sudden emergence of middle class was more a hyped idea that was based on being positive about economy but not backed by any real policies or drive to help people.

I will more on this soon... More coming. ]]> Economic disparities, Poverty Why How sahastrabhuj http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3414 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3413&goto=newpost Fri, 09 May 2008 17:01:11 GMT I would like to start a real discussion on the issue of Languages that we use and if they are ours or theirs. Who is OURS or THEIRS itself is foolish... I would like to start a real discussion on the issue of Languages that we use and if they are ours or theirs. Who is OURS or THEIRS itself is foolish yet we have to admit that conquerers or richer people dominate and spread their language on other populace. IF you understand the above statement you must learn that languages grow out of necessity to communicate.

Nobody can force upon someone for a language but we use languages to do the job done. E.g. for 500 years Indians were forced or literally coerced to speak and use Persian simply because Indians were enslaved by a corrupt group of Persians and Central Asians who were bulldozing our people and forced their language upon us. However despite that 99% of people never ever spoke Persian and only a corrupt form of mixed Hindustani which some stupid people called urdu for it was spoken in and around the military camps that was mainly employed and formed by the above invaders. It is still spoken by some of our people who think they are part or descendents of these rascal bastardized invading forces and they now have control over North West India which they mistakenly call Pakistan and all North India where these people still love this decayed language and associate with their blind faith without any spiritual basis. So much for this dark part of our history.

Furthering, then 200 years ago British came upon India and forced their language upon our people because that was necessary to get a "good" job. But the majority of Indians never really learned English or needed it except few words uttered by the slaves who were massaging, cooking and cleaning houses of the Madams [Maim sahib] and the Sahibs [first muslim invaders and then some rascal stinking never bathing pink colored british] and of course some rich sons of lawyers, land owners who sent their sons to England to come back to become Indian Civil Service members who ruled India and thus enjoy good life at the cost of 99.99% of people who lost their privileges for being too content, foolish and dis-fragmented.

I also append here my friend Raghvir's comments on another thread and later my response written in hurry.

Raghuvir Tomar : "Sanskrit was imposed on the Hindu by whites but he still comes out with weird claims like ‘Sanskrit is an Indian language’.
It is the only language which has every thing in it which ought to have in any language. Thanks to whites that they taught us that language but the so far non secular govt. is concerned it is acting worst that Muslims.Sanskrit was imposed on the Hindu by whites but he still comes out with weird claims like ‘Sanskrit is an Indian language’.
It is the only language which has every thing in it which ought to have in any language. Thanks to whites that they taught us that language but the so far non secular govt. is concerned it is acting worst that Muslims."

My response:

sahastrabhuj

I have not read the entire thread frankly but I am concerned about origin of Language etc. comments.
Raghuvir I know you are stuck with history and its fragments on your mind BUT I do not care nor we should care the languages as languages are merely vehicles for our thoughts that need not be considered foreign or native because the idea of a language is to COMMUNICATE.

There was a time when Indian languages were decaying and were primitive enough that a rich language like Sanskrit grew. Please learn that a rich civilization who works hard and has a real basis to stand creates the richer languages which are later adapted by humans of all types.

Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, English and before them thousands of other languages were created to communicate. The process is on continuum hence get out of your history and come to reality.

I do not care who is a foreigner and what language is foreign or native. IF we can not communicate our selves properly we must throw away that language and create a new one. BUT this does not work as like you there have been many thinkers who were forever discussing and questioning yet languages die and grow because of their usefulness.

I am saying all above because I was a student of Linguistics for quite some time and have delved into the history of languages as one of my favorite subjects. ]]> Indian Culture ? - Are we losing it? sahastrabhuj http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3413 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3412&goto=newpost Fri, 09 May 2008 14:46:27 GMT It has been a common talk that the delay in deciding case is virtually denying justice. Basically it is a fact and it cannot be disputed also. One... It has been a common talk that the delay in deciding case is virtually denying justice. Basically it is a fact and it cannot be disputed also. One has to accept it gracefully and try that delay is not caused. I have been in the field for more than 42 years and I have experienced so many things and the experience has not come to a halt. There are several causes and reasons for the delay in justice delivery system. One has also to find out ways and means how to over come with the problem. It is not possible for me to write in one stroke and to display forth with on the site. I will try to write in piecemeal and will site accordingly. As esteemed readers, hope it will be viewed and suitable suggestions are given so that the matter may be fully discussed. One thing to request is does not jump on suggestions but stapes by stapes give suggestions so that the points are thrashed out. I know that the mind and heart of the readers is inflated with full of anger but the things are to be defused slowly and gradually.

I am very much obliged that the site ‘India Hindustan org. has helped me a lot to grow wiser and I express gratitude for that. . ]]> purushottam http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3412 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3411&goto=newpost Fri, 09 May 2008 08:58:53 GMT English was imposed on the dumb Hindu by whites, but now the same Hindu behaves like he owns the language. No wonder, the rest of the world sees him... English was imposed on the dumb Hindu by whites, but now the same Hindu behaves like he owns the language. No wonder, the rest of the world sees him as a 45-lb weakling who is very ashamed of being what he is, and is always trying to pose as someone else. ]]> Breaking News of National Importance - Commentary Raghuvir Tomar http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3411 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3410&goto=newpost Fri, 09 May 2008 06:03:41 GMT :rolleyes: _Courtsy of the respective publishers on site. Obliged_. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882) A PSALM OF LIFE WHAT... :rolleyes: Courtsy of the respective publishers on site. Obliged.

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882)
A PSALM OF LIFE
WHAT THE HEART OF THE YOUNG MAN
SAID TO THE PSALMIST
TELL me not, in mournful numbers,
Life is but an empty dream ! —
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem.
Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
Is our destined end or way ;
But to act, that each to-morrow
Find us farther than to-day.
Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
And our hearts, though stout and brave,
Still, like muffled drums, are beating
Funeral marches to the grave.
In the world's broad field of battle,
In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle !
Be a hero in the strife !
Trust no Future, howe'er pleasant !
Let the dead Past bury its dead !
Act,— act in the living Present !
Heart within, and God o'erhead !
Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time ;
Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o'er life's solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.
Let us, then, be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate ;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
Learn to labor and to wait.


The above poem was first published in the Knickerbocker Magazine in October 1838. It also appeared in Longfellow's first published collection Voices in the Night. It can be found, for example, in:
· Longfellow, Henry Wadsworth. The Complete Poetical Works of Longfellow. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1893.



"A PSALM OF LIFE"
[Analysis -]
Tell me not in mournful numbers,
"Life is but an empty dream!"
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem.
["Mournful numbers": Science. The application of scientific principles would bring one to the conclusion that death brings an end to life; and, by definition a cessation of all functions of a living being, including, the capacity to dream. However, in this opening stanza, Longfellow immediately declares himself to be a believer in life hereafter. Human life, he declares, would not be life without the belief (the dream) of life hereafter. It is not clear how Longfellow might be able to support this conclusion, viz., life is not life without a belief in the hereafter? Further, Longfellow dismisses rational argument by expressing the view that some things are beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.]

Life is real! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal;
"Dust thou art, to dust returnest,"
Was not spoken of the soul.
[Proceeding on the basis that life cannot exist without the belief in the hereafter (begging the question) Longfellow then asserts that life is real (a proposition that is not much in dispute) and, Q.E.D., or so Longfellow thinks: there is an everlasting soul.]

Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
Is our destined end or way;
But to act, that each to-morrow
Find us further than to-day.
[Eschewing Epicureanism, Longfellow asserts that we proceed along a path, through a transition (death), to an everlasting life hereafter.]

Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
And our hearts, though stout and brave,
Still, like muffled drums, are beating
Funeral marches to the grave.
["Art is long, and Time is fleeting." Art is endless, immortal; and, man's life in his mortal frame, is measured by a discreet marker, time. The poet then repeats his established theme that our life proceeds to the grave and beyond.]

In the world's broad field of battle,
In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle!
Be a hero in the strife!
[Not much on topic, but an interesting shift in pace: life's a struggle. Well, no doubt; and, no matter one's belief, a heroic life is the only one worth living.]

Trust no Future, howe'er pleasant!
Let the dead Past bury its dead!
Act -- act in the living Present!
Heart within, and God o'erhead!
[With these lines, Longfellow throws aside the ideas of The Enlightenment and subscribes to the notion that the Good Lord will take care of us, just as he takes care of wild birds. Have faith, make no plans, do not act rationally: a very disastrous way to conduct one's affairs, it seems to me.]

Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time;
[Not sure which "great men" Longfellow has in mind. I suppose, throughout the pages of history we will find those who have left their marks; some rational, some irrational.]

Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o'er life's solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.
[Ah! Good point. We are guided by those who succeed and we emulate their acts Those who don't succeed, indeed who get themselves into trouble, we eschew (that is not to say we would not necessarily help them out of their trouble).]

Let us, then, be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
Learn to labour and to wait,
[Well, generally good advice. But, one should not labour long if expected results are not forthcoming during one's life; and, it would be a complete waste of a life to wait for an award in the hereafter on account of some unfounded belief in such.]

By Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882).
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The poem which I liked most and it has shaped my life. Very much obliged to all. :rolleyes: ]]> Indian Culture ? - Are we losing it? purushottam http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3410 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3409&goto=newpost Sun, 04 May 2008 02:44:29 GMT India is a land of mystery but the mystery is shrouded around criminals who do all they can to hide their crimes. One such man is committing... India is a land of mystery but the mystery is shrouded around criminals who do all they can to hide their crimes. One such man is committing extremely deplorable crimes and still lives like a king and he is abusing hundreds of young girls daily, sexually harassing them, raping them, killing them and almost half million of his blind followers listen with rapt attention his junk and stupid discourses.

This man is one of the most evil and fake gurus who must be executed but our political snakes will never let him be prosecuted because he asked his followers to vote for congress.

This man lives in a palace, without education and with a heavy duty criminal record, with many assassinations and rapes yet he lives a great life.


The Dera Sacha Sauda in Sirsa, Haryana

I would be trying to post many real reports and stories on his crimes and if anyone can post here any reports it will be a good job.

India will take 100 more years before its people become educated and smarter to distinguish between charlatans, criminals and real true enlightened masters. ]]> False Fake Gurus Priests Ignorant http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3409 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3408&goto=newpost Sun, 04 May 2008 02:29:13 GMT Daily demographic invasion of India

By J.G. Arora

According to Barbara W. Tuchman, American historian and author of 'The March
of Folly', "Disasters of history are the result of government's folly and
perverse persistence in pursuing the policies contrary to national interests."

Indian government's persistent inaction against demographic invasion by
crores of Pak-Bangla infiltrators is generating a historical disaster since
the said invasion aims to dismember India and plant more Pakistans and
Bangladeshs on Indian soil.

Let us shuffle a few pages of history.

Bharat Varsha comprising the present day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal
and Afghanistan etc. used to be Hindu land with zero Muslim population
till Muhammad
bin Qasim's Arab army attacked Sindh in 711. Despite fighting valiantly to
defend their Dharma and motherland during repeated Muslim attacks for over
a thousand years, Hindus lost Afghanistan in 987, and present day Pakistan
and Bangladesh to Muslims in 1947.

After 1947, truncated India i.e. Bharat has seen genocide and eviction of
Hindus from Muslim majority Kashmir.

Many Hindus apprehend that because of higher Muslim growth rate and
infiltration from Pakistan and Bangladesh, Hindus in India too will be
outnumbered by Muslims in a few decades, and face the misery undergone by
Hindus in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh which also used to be Hindu
lands.

Pak-Bangla axis

To prevent plantation of more Pakistans and Bangladeshs on Indian soil, one
must know how Pakistan and Bangladesh were created.

After overthrow of Muslim rule, India was under the British from 1857 to
1947. Formed in 1906, Muslim League demanded Pakistan in 1940 with Muhammad
Ali Jinnah proclaiming that Hindus and Muslims belonged to two different
religions, civilizations and nations which could never live together in one
country; and demanding Pakistan, a separate country for Muslims, comprising
Muslim majority areas in India.

In 1945-46 elections, Muslims voted for creation of Pakistan. In 1947, the
Muslims got a third of Bharat's land as Pakistan. In 1971, East Pakistan
became Bangladesh while West Pakistan was renamed as Pakistan.

Both Pakistan and Bangladesh are Islamic Republics and have driven out most
of Hindus and Sikhs from their land. However, most of Indian Muslims who
had demanded Pakistan and exchange of population did not go to
Pakistan. Rather,
the present percentage of Muslim population in India is much higher than
that in 1947.

Pakistani army which is ideologically anti-Hindu and anti-Bharat actually
rules Pakistan; and nurtures terrorism. In their bid to dismember and bleed
India through "a thousand cuts", Pakistan and Bangladesh have sent countless
terrorists and crores of their nationals into India.

At present, Hindu civilization is a demographically challenged civilization.
Because of infiltration, many districts in India bordering Bangladesh have
seen abnormal increase in Muslim population. In 1996 itself, T.V. Rajeshwar,
former Intelligence Bureau chief (and the present U.P. Governor) had warned
about emergence of one more Islamic country because of Bangladeshi
infiltration. In 1998, S.K. Sinha, the then Governor of Assam, also sounded
similar caution. Warnings of T.V. Rajeshwar and S. K. Sinha have been
fortified by census of 2001.

Pak-Bangla infiltrators are entering India through many points on India's
soft borders every day. With each passing day, India is being made more
Islamic and less Hindu.

No action on Supreme Court's judgements

AASU leader Sarbanand Sonowal took the issue of Bangladeshi infiltration to
the Supreme Court. By its judgement dated July 12, 2005, Supreme Court
struck down the Illegal Migrants (D.T.) Act, 1983 as unconstitutional; and
termed Bangladeshi infiltration as "external aggression" and directed that
"Bangladeshi nationals who have trespassed into Assam or are living in
other parts of the country have no legal right of any kind to remain in
India and they are liable to be deported."

Shockingly, instead of deporting the infiltrators, on Feb. 10, 2006, UPA
government brought in the Foreigners (Tribunals for Assam) Order to nullify
the apex Court's judgement. But on December 5, 2006, Supreme Court quashed
this Order also as unconstitutional, and called for implementation of its
earlier judgement dated July 12, 2005 for deporting illegal immigrants.

Despite the Supreme Court's above-mentioned judgements, no infiltrators have
been deported by the government. Rather, the government is busy with
terrorist and infiltrator friendly 'confidence building measures' like
soft borders, peace talks, and Indo-Pak and Indo-Bangladesh bus and rail
links which are bringing more Pak-Bangla nationals into India every day. And
instead of being deported, infiltrators are being given voting rights.

Tragically, the Indian government, mainstream media and all major political
parties are silent spectators when Bharat is being grabbed bit by bit by
Pak-Bangla terrorists and infiltrators every day.

Way out

After bravely fighting foreign invaders for over 1,200 years, Bharat has
meekly surrendered before Pak-Bangla demographic invasion. We must do
everything to save Bharat and its heritage for the coming generations the
way our ancestors saved the same for us.

Since we cannot expect others to fight our battles, all nationalist
organisations and individuals must assert themselves to force the government
to act as follows to prevent the creation of more Pakistans and Bangladeshson
Bharat's land:

i. The Supreme Court's judgements dated July 12, 2005 and December 5, 2006
must be implemented to deport the infiltrators and curb their daily influx.
Infiltrators must be treated as invaders. And not as vote banks.

ii. Since 'confidence building measures' with Pakistan and Bangladesh are
suicidal for Bharat, all Indo-Pak and Indo-Bangla road and rail journeys,
cultural and sports relations, and peace talks must be discontinued.

iii. India must protect its borders to prevent aggressors from entering
India.

iv. Enemies must be crushed; not embraced. History teaches the crushing of
enemies before the enemies crush us.

v. Terrorist net-work in Pakistan and Bangladesh must be smashed to take the
war into enemy territory.

vi. Any move to form a confederation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh must
be rejected since such a step would help Islamisation of India.

I had started this write-up with Barbara W. Tuchman's observation, "Disasters
of history are the result of government's folly and perverse persistence in
pursuing the policies contrary to national interests." How I wish Indian
government safeguards India's national interests and takes the
above-mentioned steps with alacrity to prevent the creation of more
Pakistans and Bangladeshs on Indian soil!

Courtesy : Organiser, New Delhi ]]> How religious lobbies thriving on our ignorance Ignorant http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3408 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3407&goto=newpost Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:07:59 GMT :rolleyes: T.R.Baalu is Shipping and Surface Transport Minister in the Union Government. What he did that he wrote few letters to the PMO for making... :rolleyes:
T.R.Baalu is Shipping and Surface Transport Minister in the Union Government. What he did that he wrote few letters to the PMO for making gas available to Kings Chemicals and King High Power companies, which are owned by his son. In response to the letters the PMO wrote at least 8 letters in short interval to concerned department. This caused the parliamentarians offending and started debate over it and asked the propriety of writing the letters by a union minister to pressurize the PMO and the concerned department.
What wrong Baalu did? In fact he showed gracefulness by admitting the fact that he did write letters. There was news on the Internet site that during the regime of Digvijaysing, who was then Chief Minister, The Chief Election Commissioner ranged him to get the Tar road constructed to his area in Shivpuri District and it was done so without wasting time. It was further stated in the news that Baalu was advised not to confess any thing as politician.
To my mind he committed no wrong. Less said is with reference to persons in power but an ordinary person also tries to peruse the other person in authority by bringing pressure from this or that person. There appears to be no wrong as in India the procedural system is such that work will not be done in normal course without pursuing the person concerned. Another system problem is that of corruption, indolent attitude and work to rule method in absence of want of bribe. Baalu has his private companies and these private companies through their liaison system can get every work done. For that these companies are ready to bribe as per demand of the person in authority and concerned person. This is a routine system. The politicians also do the same thing and for that they frequently extend luncheons or dinners to those from whom work is required to be got done. There appears to be no abnormality. For that gifts are also given on several occasions. Perhaps this is part of human and in particular Indian work style. One should dare to accept the ground realities. The fact is necessity knows no law. It is that necessity that makes a naked man run! In Executive and Legislative every thing is fare. When it comes to Judiciary every body dislikes and hate it as the courts have to decide dispute between two parties and rights and liabilities are decided between them and therefore generally it is not possible to bring pressure. Therefore the general opinion about judiciary is that the judges are good for nothing.
How ever it appears that now a days few black sheep have also borne in judiciary that them self like to surrender before the legislative and the executive. May it be T.R.Baalu deserves congratulations for his fairly accepting what he did. However presently they are few and will not be able to spoil the whole lot of eggs! :rolleyes: ]]> purushottam http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3407 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3406&goto=newpost Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:59:24 GMT :rolleyes:Here is news from my e mail friend which is pasted here for information. The DMk government has decided to finish off the VIVEKANANDAR... :rolleyes:Here is news from my e mail friend which is pasted here for information.

The DMk government has decided to finish off the VIVEKANANDAR ILLAM in
madras.To destroy the great monument the DMK is hiding behind
Tamil.Earlier the DMK tried to beliittle the greatness and one ness of
VIVEKANADAR ROCK IN KANYAKUMARI BY PUTTING UP A STATUE FOR THE GREAT
TAMIL POET.nO dmk cadre is following the teachings of Thiruvalluvar. To
belittle mahatma gandhi the dmk lifted prohibition on OCT 2 nd 1971.you
must remember mahatama was dead against liquor.The dmk again tried and
succeeded in belittiling the statue of mahatama in marina by putting up
a statue for actor sivaji ganeasan in front of mahatma's statue. you
know the younger tamil generation is mad after cine actors.SO I REQUEST
ALL THE PATRIOTIC AND PROUD INDIANS TO UNITE AND SAVE THE VIVIKANANDAR
:rolleyes:
ILLAM.WE MUST PUT AN END THE SINISTER DESIGNS OF THE DMAK. REGARDS
JEBAMANI MOHNARAJ CHENNAI ]]> purushottam http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3406 http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3405&goto=newpost Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:12:05 GMT We are Anonymous. We are a group of people from all of the world. We are of every religion and none. We want to protect freedom of speech, freedom of... We are Anonymous. We are a group of people from all of the world. We are of every religion and none. We want to protect freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of religion.

We oppose the human rights abuses carried out by the so-called "Church" of Scientology. This corrupt organization:

- charges its members lakhs and lakhs to pass through its "courses"
- encourages members to disconnect from their families and shun friends
- harrasses and bullies ex-members and anyone who criticizes the "Church"

The Church of Scientology has been implicated in the deaths of several of its own members- search for "Lisa McPherson".

The Church of Scientology is in India, recruiting new members right now in Delhi, Mysore, Kolkata and Patalia.

Anonymous has been staging peaceful protests against the Church of Scientology all around the world. In cities ranging from Los Angeles, New York, London, Amsterdam, Sydney, Vienna and Berlin, thousands of people have come together to call an end to this corrupt organization.

We ask you to please Google "Xenu" to find out more about the Church of Scientology.
Please Google "ex scientology kids" to read the stories of people growing up in this cruel and abusive "Church".

If it makes you as angry as it makes us, please don't let it happen in India. Get involved with planning peaceful protests- Google for "enturbulation".

To be clear, we are not against the beliefs of Scientologists, just the immoral actions of its "Church". We do not seek to criticize people's religious life, but to force a corrupt and bullying organization to change its ways.

Bahut bahut dhanyabad to all of you. ]]> How religious lobbies thriving on our ignorance anonymous http://hindustan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3405