At this point without wasting time, and going to focal point of the matter is that Pakistan is the CENTER of world terrorism and it is geared for world class acts of terrorism.

The world will never perhaps know the capacity of this country to bring about damage and sabotage to the world economy and innocent people. From India to Russia to Europe to Americas, ONE SINGLE source of terrorism is prominent and that is Pakistan.
The center of these acts is 90% focused in a very small area of about 500 miles range that include parts of kashmir held by pakistan, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, all mostly in Pakistani Punjab.

The hub of all these activities are about 7 buildings in Rawalpindi and Islamabad where all planning is done.
99% of the world class terrorism acts have been directed from this area.

All security agencies know sooner or later that the trail of all links go back to this area.
The sheer amount of funds that is in hands of this small group is incalculable. By an inside analyst about 1.5 billion dollar per month is spent on training terrorists. It is mind boggling for a size of economy that pakistan on paper has but the drug trade provides about 7 to 800 million dollars per month and 200 million worth of funds are coming from "donations" by Pakistani and Saudi and Gulf community through a variety of names and agencies disguised as charities or religious welfare etc.
300 million is directly poured from Saudi Arabia and about 100 million dollar is coming from Gulf area.

The incredible but true fact is that nuclear weapons of various grades are stored in about 7 locations, mostly imported illegally through central asia from Ukraine and a few countries of ex USSR.
These weapons are being transported to Indian border, Iran and closer to Syria - Jordan border and of course a few other unkown places.

How much Pakistani so called government knows about it. 100%.
Without the consent of the military command that is controlling the country, not even a bird can fly in this area.

The intelligence agencies of EU, US and other countries can never even calculate the power of damage this area possesses. The sheer harm that is planned over next months is so poweful that the world will tremble.
The information here is just an estimate through various sources but even if it is 10% accurate the world is in serious trouble.

Indian agencies or the government is totally unaware of its sheer damage capacity.
They are still thinking in terms of a conventional war game scene whereas the stuff being done in Pakistan is way beyond imagination of anyone.

Pakistan is currently training Indians, Bangladeshis, Iranis, Yemenis, Sudanese, Somalis and a host of other origins on its land. The al-qaida and all agencies operating as terror groups are different modalities or names of "units" - that are all centralized under ISI.

99% of Pakistani public has no knowledge of the evil plans and only 3 or 4% of Pakistani army people are directing these acts.

These are the names of outfits that are currently vibrant:

313


Al-Barq


Baloch Liberation Army (BLA)


Black December


Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami (HUJI)


Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HuM)


Harkat ul-Ansar


Hizb-I Islami Gulbuddin (HIG)


Hizbul Mujahideen (HM)


Islami Inqilabi Mahaz


Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)


Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM)


Jamiat ul-Mujahedin (JuM)


Lashkar-I-Omar


Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ)


Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)


Mohajir Qami Movement-Haqiqi (MQM-H)


Muslim United Army


Muttahida Qami Movement (MQM)


National Movement for the Restoration of Pakistani Sovereignty


Sipah-e-Sahaba/Pakistan (SSP)


al-Aarifeen


al-Badr


al-Fuqra


al-Islambouli Brigades of al-Qaeda


al-Mansoorain


al-Nawaz


al-Qaeda


al-Qanoon


al-Umar Mujahideen


al-Zulfikar



A look at economy:


GDP: $347.3 billion
Economy Description: N/A
Country Budget: revenues: $13.45 billion expenditures: $16.51 billion, including capital expenditures of
External Debt: $33.97 billion
Unemployment Rate: 8.3%
Per Capita GDP: $2,200
Population Below Poverty Line: 32%
Military Expenditure: $35 billion
Military Expenditure Ratio: 10%

UNLISTED INFO:
Illicit mostly drug and weapon traffic economy size : 150 billion

Only spies can stop the chaos

Thursday, May 04 2006
New Statesman
Pakistan Terrorism

Hugh Barnes
Hugh Barnes is director of the democracy and conflict programme at the Foreign Policy Centre

The headquarters of the Pakistani secret services lie hidden behind towering, beige-coloured walls in the old British cantonment of Rawalpindi. Sweeping, arched roofs and sprawling verandas evoke memories of the Raj, as do the street urchins playing cricket outside the gate. The languid appearance is deceptive. I have come behind the lines in the so-called "war on terror". One of the world's most sinister organisations, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) is often seen as Pakistan's invisible government. It has long operated out of the public gaze. During the Soviet occupation of Afghan-istan it funnelled CIA funds to the mujahedin fighters; in the 1990s it bankrolled the Taliban into power. Its links to Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda are a matter of record. Yet ISI chiefs now find themselves cast in an unlikely role as the west's policemen, hunting down jihadists in the lawless tribal areas of northern Pakistan. The only modern nation founded on Islam, Pakistan is a homeland that has failed to work. Now it is teetering on the brink of chaos. The ISI is largely to blame.

Late last month, Islamist militants in North Waziristan ambushed a convoy of ISI-led troops, killing seven soldiers and wounding 22. The attack was a reprisal for the killing in a nearby village of seven Qaeda suspects, including Mohsin Musa Matawalli Atwah, an Egyptian on the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorists for his alleged involvement in the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. The figures at the top of the ISI are almost pathologically averse to the glare of the media, so it was with some trepidation that I accepted an invitation from Brigadier A-, head of the counter-terrorism section, to discuss a secret operation to stem the "two-way traffic" of terrorists between Pakistan and Britain in the wake of last July's bombings in London. Once, the only civilians permitted to enter this building were suspects, and not all of them made it out alive. A dapper man in his late fifties, dressed in an immaculately tailored business suit in spite of the heat, the brigadier greeted me with sandwiches, cakes and tea. A bearer wearing a white waistcoat and black wool Jinnah cap served us from a table piled high with documents and newspaper cuttings, plus a stack of empty notepads and other pieces of stationery. (I am ashamed to say I took one of the ISI pencils as a trophy.) A laptop computer flickered with a PowerPoint slide show of images of the World Trade Center engulfed in flames on 11 September 2001.

The brigadier appeared troubled. Hours earlier, a suicide bomber had set off an explosion at a parade in Karachi, killing at least 57 people. The blast happened not far from the site of another bombing in March, in which a US diplomat was killed. Roughly 45 Islamist groups operate in Pakistan. The best-known are Harkat-e-Jihad-e-Islami (Movement for Islamic Jihad), Jaish-e-Mohammad (Army of Muhammad) and Jundullah (Army of God), but with ever-changing names, splits and overlapping ideologies, it is difficult to differentiate between them, let alone keep track of their attempts to replace Pakistan's leadership with a fundamentalist regime. "There's a lot of work to be done in defeating al-Qaeda," said my host, slumping in his chair. As if to underline the point, helicopter gunships were busy strafing the village, a hundred miles away in North Waziristan, where several Qaeda members, possibly including Bin Laden, are said to be hiding out. Twenty years have passed since Bin Laden led a group of a few dozen men - Saudis, Egyptians, Algerians and Pakistanis, whom he had recruited and trained - out of a cluster of caves in the mountains on the Pakistani frontier. These were the men who would fight the Soviet infidel in Afghanistan. The brigadier knew every ridge and mountain pass, every CIA trail. He gossiped about these mysterious strangers who have returned to North Waziristan, using a portfolio of disguises and pseudonyms. They still appear to move with ease, travelling between the Pakistani tribal lands and southern Afghanistan - sometimes protected by the Pathan tribes, sometimes by drug barons - in a circle of a few hundred miles, using the same mountain passes and little-known trails as the mujahedin's convoys during the jihad years.

Towards the end of our conversation, Brigadier A- talked of the "Talibanisation" of Pakistan's borderlands. Yet the ISI itself is largely responsible for importing Arab jihadists into the region in the first place. "The United States used to think very strongly that we could just deliver Bin Laden," he said. "But I have been telling everyone, 'We can assist, not assure,' and I think we have been successful in driving that point home." I asked the ISI chief about his pictures of the twin towers. It seemed odd, given the past role of Pakistan's secret services - no strikes without al-Qaeda, no al-Qaeda without the Taliban, no Taliban without the ISI - that they would peddle this mawkish nostalgia. The brigadier peered from behind his glasses, and smiled. "If you say the ISI alone is responsible for 9/11, I would have an objection to that. I think Pakistan was responsible. I think the free world as a whole was responsible for 9/11. When the Soviet Union was defeated, the money was coming from all over the world, from Egypt, the Middle East, south-east Asia. A lot of these people would have conflicted, but the world just melted away, and we had no choice. We have always supported any government in Kabul, but the Taliban would have come to power with or without the ISI. We joined the train after it had started, but a lot of people thought it was a force that could bring some kind of stability to Afghanistan."

As I left the brigadier's office, I recalled that Pakistan's military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf, once called the army his country's "last institution of stability". Yet the tension is rising. After the protests against the Danish cartoons of the Prophet, he went on television to declare that his government would stand shoulder to shoulder with the mullahs against the "sacrilegious acts" of the west. "The entire nation and the Umma [Muslim community] is unanimous," he said, but warned that "antisocial and criminal elements" were responsible for torching a KFC restaurant, a Norwegian phone office and other western-linked businesses. Visibly pale, blinking and sweating, the general looked like a man who knew the game was up. Pakistan is a dictatorship run by the army, whose intelligence wing sponsored terrorism in Afghanistan and Kashmir until Musharraf's 180-degree policy turn in the wake of 11 September 2001. Until now, army discipline has managed to contain opposition to his deeply unpopular alliance with President George W Bush. However, the cracks are beginning to show, and the pact between the US and India on nuclear energy, agreed in March, makes things worse. "Musharraf is on losing ground," a senior figure in the government told me as protests spread to Islamabad, and even the former cricket star Imran Khan was placed under house arrest. Yet the demonstrations are not quite what they seem. In Islamabad, the most militarised city, a bunch of school students managed to storm the diplomatic compound, where they proceeded to throw stones at European embassies and smash envoys' cars. Musharraf loyalists acknowledge that the government sometimes permits religious parties, including the fundamentalist Jamaat-e-Islami, to let off steam. But the complicity may be different this time. So who are the "antisocial elements" stoking the violence? Many leading Pakistani politicians feel that the riots are being orchestrated by the army itself.

"Musharraf is responsible for this violence. He gave the orders for the riots to begin, for political reasons, and the army helped to stage the protests," said Amanullah Kamrani, a senator from the western province of Balochistan. "The general knows that he is losing power and so he's using the riots to send a warning to the west - as if to say, 'Look, I'm the only person saving the country from Muslim extremism.'" Musharraf's recent behaviour seems to bear this out. At a meeting with Hamid Karzai in February, both he and the Afghan president affirmed their determination to see "enlightened moderation" (Musharraf's catchphrase) triumph over radical Islam, and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz was beating the same drum to any foreign visitor who would listen. "Pakistan joined this effort to fight terrorism from its own conviction, not to please anybody, because terrorism knows no borders. There are no good terrorists or bad terrorists. Terrorism hurts everybody," the prime minister told me during an interview at his official residence in Islamabad. The trouble is that the best-laid plans of the Pakistani army and the ISI often go awry. For decades, Delhi has been protesting about Pakistani-backed infiltration into Indian-administered Kashmir. Several times the two nuclear-armed nations have gone to the brink of war, but stepped back. At the end of 2001, gunmen allegedly linked to the ISI-funded Jaish-e-Mohammad attacked the Indian parliament building in Delhi, killing 12 people. For six months the world looked on as Islamabad and Delhi traded ultimatums and threats, but then the world's longest unresolved conflict lapsed into paranoid inertia, the signature condition that is just one of Kashmir's many betrayals, as Salman Rushdie notes in his novel Shalimar the Clown.

By supporting jihadist groups in the disputed territory, Pakistan's generals, who have governed the country since a coup d'état in 1999, hope to advance what they regard as a righteous cause, and to pressure India's government to negotiate over the future of Kashmir, divided after the partition of the subcontinent in 1947. After the Kashmir earthquake last October, tensions all too briefly took second place to reconstruction efforts. Kashmir's mountains rise between 4,000 and 7,000 feet above sea level, and mark a tectonic inter-section that was almost visible to the eye as I flew over the earthquake zone in a Puma helicopter. The Pakistani army's sluggish response to the disaster may be explained by the inhospitable terrain, or by its own heavy losses in the area where the quake hit. According to an army spokesman, 450 officers and soldiers died on the road to Muzaffarabad, capital of what Islamabad calls "Azad Kashmir" (meaning "Free Kashmir"), the part that Pakistan controls. The helicopter zigzagged across the Neelum Valley, where landslides had sealed off the canyons and blocked the only road. In many places, the sides of mountains had fallen away, as if sliced off with an axe. In the villages below, hundreds of people wandered aimlessly between the piles of rubble, clutching photo-graphs of relatives or bundles of food and clothing distributed from the valley's relief depot, which is supplied by air. For the past 15 years, the Pakistani army has supported rebellion on India's side of the Line of Control by aiding violent Islamist groups, some of them with ties to al-Qaeda, which are seeking to unify all of Kashmir with Pakistan. One of the most prominent of these groups has been Lashkar-e-Toiba (Army of the Pure), which the Bush administration designated a foreign terrorist organisation in 2001.

The feuding in Kashmir goes back a long way. In 1947, Pakistan was carved out of British India, which had more than 500 princely states; one of them, the predominantly Muslim Kashmir, was ruled by a Hindu maharaja who could not decide whether to join India or Pakistan. In October that year, tribesmen from Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province invaded Kashmir, arriving in British trucks. That hastened the maharaja's decision to join India, which quickly responded by airlifting troops into the area. After the quake, Musharraf launched a fresh peace offensive. "Let success emerge from the tragedy," he said. Yet even his main spokesman, Major General Shaukat Sultan, has conceded that efforts to demilitarise the borderlands have failed. "We want to seize the opportunity - open the Line of Control and let people move freely. But unfortunately the movement from the other side is not fast enough. That is what is discouraging for us," he said. As a result, Kashmir remains mired in conflict. The causes of the 2002 Indo-Pak crisis - jihadist terrorism, mutual suspicion and a relatively young, unstable system of nuclear deterrence - have not disappeared. If anything, the pace of terrorist attacks has quickened. In Kashmir, as in Afghanistan, Pakistan's intelligence services have found that controlling Islamists is an inexact science. One example is Lashkar-e-Toiba. This was (and still is, depending on whom you ask) a radical jihadist organisation that has carried out persistent and sometimes spectacular attacks against Indian targets, both military and civilian, in Kashmir and elsewhere. Under US pressure, Musharraf banned Lashkar-e-Toiba in early 2002, but he allowed it to create a domestic charity under another name, Jama'at-ud-Da'awah (the Preaching Society), with the same leader. The new group runs conservative madrasas and promotes an austere vision of Islam through its preaching and social work, and, according to a spokesman, it has hundreds of thousands of members throughout Pakistan. Azad Kashmir had been an important base for Lashkar-e-Toiba, offering sanctuary and a convenient launching ground for anti-India operations.

Less than a mile from the main Jama'at-ud-Da'awah camp in the Azad Kashmir capital, the US army has erected a field hospital. US Humvees on a break from chasing remnant Qaeda elements in Afghanistan share the streets of Muzaffarabad with ambulances from the Rashid Trust, a charity whose funds were blocked by the Bush administration in 2001, following accusations that it had assisted al-Qaeda. Musharraf's position has been perilous ever since. In 2003, for instance, a fighter from Jaish-e-Mohammad, a group that the president had singled out, tried to assassinate him. The success of jihadist groups in providing earthquake relief has strengthened their claims to legitimacy in Pakistan. The difficulty for Musharraf is that a country run by a military dictatorship with tacit links to terrorism does not seem the best advertisement for "enlightened moderation". Now many of the general's backers in the White House also see it that way. The government in Islamabad is becoming an embarrassment to its sponsors in the west. Tension increased just before Bush's visit to Delhi in early March. Some Pakistani hard-liners fear the US-India nuclear technology deal could lead to Pakistan losing the strategic advantages it gained from signing up to the "war on terror". Among the conspiracy theories swirling around Islamabad was a senior minister's hint that the CIA might even be the hidden hand behind the anti-Musharraf demonstrations. He suggested that Pakistan's nuclear capability was to blame and said the US leadership could not tolerate a nuclear-armed Pakistan that was also stable; it therefore felt obliged every three or four years to do something to destabilise the country. The protests in the streets of Lahore and Karachi were just the latest example of US "dirty tricks".

Pakistan's leaders fear the loss of status that would ensue if others develop nuclear capability. Where Iran might go, Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt might follow. "Being a nuclear power bestows kudos in the Muslim world," a leading minister told me. "We don't say it out loud, but it's a fact. The nuclear powers are a club apart and so we don't want Iran or any other Muslim country to become a nuclear power." Yet the US still sees Pakistan as a special case, thanks to Afghan-istan and Kashmir. The former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage has warned of "a large possibility" that jihadist groups will set off a war on the subcontinent. In turn, Pakistan's foreign minister, Khurshid Kasuri, blames the US for destabilising the region. "Until the west glorified jihad, inviting young men to come and fight the godless communists, Pakistan was a very peaceful country," he argues. "In the process, the border was radicalised, but once the Soviets were defeated, the Americans melted away. Afghanistan was a great theatre for jihad, in the same way that jihadists have found Iraq to be a great theatre." The more unpopular Musharraf becomes, the less inclined he is to undertake reform or to implement the "true democracy" that he has promised. He speaks the language of a populist: devolving power, taxing the rich and arresting the corrupt. Yet corruption remains rampant, and far from regenerating democracy the khaki leadership has alienated the large majority from the political system. Violence and protest are now the people's only ways of venting their frustration.

Prime Minister Aziz claims that his government is neither "defensive nor apologetic" about its undemocratic nature. Musharraf's 1999 coup was "in the interest of Pakistan", he said, "and I think, with hindsight, it was the correct decision. We are not apologetic about our position. We think it suits our current set-up. We don't need any lectures in democracy but, step by step, we'll get there. It's not that we think democracy is bad." Pakistan's generals have always been loyal to the army, rather than to such abstract ideas as democracy, Islam or even Pakistan. The country's 59-year history has been a series of duels between the generals and politicians. Judging by years in office, the generals are in the lead. Elected representatives have run the country for 15 years, and unaccountable bureaucrats or their proxies for 11, but the army has been in power for 33 years. The fate of this military dictatorship is likely to depend on the support of the US. As long as Musharraf is able to play politics with Muslim discontent, however, while discredited former leaders such as Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif continue to divide the opposition, the necessary return to civilian rule will remain a prospect much more distant than a further descent into chaos.

Pakistan has literally tried to flood the Indian market with fake currency notes. The worst hit are the Rs 500 and Rs 1000 currency notes. The fake notes are done in such a smart way that its tough for a common man to find out. I was speaking to a friend who works in a nationalised bank and found out that out of 100 notes, 2-3 notes are usually found to be fake on an average. Even the 100 ruppee note have joined the list.

Floating of fake currency has been a very old ploy of Pakistan. Infact Fake notes and Drugs like Cocaine and Heroin are smuggled from the porous Punjab and Rajasthan borders. One can read incidents of Fake currency or drugs being pushed into India from these two states daily.

The situation is so bad that if you are living in Punjab or Rajasthan, chances are that you already have atlest 1 fake note in your pocket.

The fake currency kills the economy while the drugs kill the soul and the body of the youth who are wasting a lot of money in buying all the stuff. The money eventually goes to Pak and muslim fanatic groups who flush more fake currency instead.

These are silent killers and equally effective than a bomb blast or a suicide attack. These are also part of terrorism tactics and its time our government opened its eyes and acts. Unless there is a major crackdown on these issues, its going to be difficult for India to survive in the long run.

Thats very true anchor. This gang of sonia that formed the executive power at the center is actually a non-government that is a non governing junta.

The entire intelligence and security is in serious jeopardy. The junta is busy busy and busy in securing their re-election to keep doing the perpetual work of destrying real Indian culture from India and have a polluted culture, foreign terrorists coming and going, foreign powers grabbing the keys of Indian economy and soon we will have reverted India to 1947.

We are being done with instead of having any contribution from this junta of congress and communists.

Pakistanis, Iranis and even other various powers have infiltrated into Indian economy, politics and system and they are all destablizing it.

Only awakening our people and informing them of coming dangers can stop India to become a trapped and enslaved nation again.

If state of affairs is as it is, and people are complacent, we will be back to 1000 years of slavery and be butchered one by one.

For 1000 years Indian people were tortured and made to live a slave's life in their own land and now we are going to be soon having the same state of affairs back.

Our media is only interested in minting money so that the owners can compete with each other, political parties are fragmented and the only political issue is to divide Indians by religion, caste and class and break their back.

We are a nation of Eunuchs and it will show soon.

Pakistan’s most dangerous export to India is not just terrorism—it’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) is trying to flood the country with fake Indian currency.


When the Delhi Police arrested three ISI agents at the Nizamuddin Railway station they found Rs 33 lakh in Rs 500 and Rs 1,000 denominations concealed in reams and reams of thread reels.


Alok Kumar, Deputy Commissioner of Police in the Special Cell, says the fake currency came from Pakistan and the printing was very fine. According to some reports, Paksitan's official printing press in cities like Quetta is being used to print Indian currency. Most of the fake curency is then being shipped stacked in common commodities and sent to chennai port from where it is being distributed within India.


A K Doval, a counter-terrorism expert and former chief of the Intelligence Bureau, says the ISI uses conduits to carry counterfeit currency from amongst the thousands of people infiltrating into India from its porous borders.


“In India's case a large number of people who infiltrate through the country through the non-immigration borders through the land route, through the illegal route they bring weapons through them, they bring explosive, they do bring a wad of notes with them-both counterfeit and genuine,” says Doval.

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:rolleyes:
Be Happy Dear Musharraf!
Musharraf goes but in a democratic way. He was asked to resign or to face impeachment. Good sense prevailed on him and preferred to go as president. He should not leave Pakistan as it his native nation though he may have to face legal battle but as a soldier he should face any trial if any. The present government should also show grace to him though he did not show such greatness and generosity to any one. He undermined the judiciary the backbone of any democracy. Though Pakistan never remained as democratic country in the real sense but in any case the judiciary is always the foundation stone of democracy. Indian politicians and in particular the all sorts of Communists should know it.

Even when Mush goes, for India it is neither sad nor good news as the present government is too weak to rule Pakistan and I certainly fear that again the military government will come to power. It is not just bookish proverb that unity is strength but it is reality and that Pakistani and Indian people lack. Same is the case in Asia region and Africa also. So far as Pakistan is concerned no government can rule there unless it befools people there on the basis of Islam and Kashmir issue. These two issues do not allow it to progress. The trouble with every Islamic country is Islamic religion. The Islamic counties have not yet switched over from the mediaeval period and so long as their mentality is such they cannot do any thing except to feed terrorism, as Islamic terrorism is the representation of the middle age, the barbarian attitude. This terrorism has not helped the Islamic religion nor helped any Islamic country to progress. The use of religion has been to keep the Islamic people in fear and terror. So long as Islamic counties will clinch on to religion for ruling nations no county whether Islamic or not will be happy as the Muslim population is and had been a deciding factor.

After resignation of Mush India should take on guards as it is well said that known devil is always better than unknown angle. Who so ever may rule, be sure there will be no change in the attitude of Pakistan. It is not the person that matters but it is the quality of a ruler that matters. Unless any ruler comes up above the middle age mentality things will go as they are.

This is also time for Hindus of India and Nepal to learn lesson from Islam that it is not the religion on the basis of which these counties can be ruled. Fortunately for Hindus they rightly make a distinction between rule by religion and rule by law of the land. The Congress should also learn that policy of appeasement of minorities would not at all help for neither the development of minority classes nor the nation.

The resignation of Mush has taught us much more than what he did for Pakistan, whether good or bad. Thanks Musshubhai!

In Pakistan, the complexities of the internal ethnic divisions are difficult for policy-makers to appreciate. And then the Mohajirs, of course, who don't get along with the Sindhis, and both the Sindhis and the Mohajirs resent the dominance of the Punjabis. The Balochis resent the Punjabis because they see them as the Staatvolk (dominant people) of the State.

n Pakistan, the Punjabis are so dominant because they are the largest ethnic group, but also because they control the military, and the military essentially is the State.

So the Balochis resent the Punjabis because they take all the natural gas and they don't give anything back to the poorest part of the country. So there's the Balochistan Liberation Army which seeking independence from Pakistan.

Then you have the North West Frontier Province which has been really divided for a long time but now there's even a movement to call it Pashtunistan, to give it a name like Balochistan, or Sindh: name the place after the people.

So the fact that the NWFP is dominated by one ethnic group is certainly getting more and more resonance, and the fact that that ethnic group is the same as on the other side of the border in Afghanistan is politically problematic.

There's no real agreement on participation in a Pakistan civil society. There's such a strong sense of separate identities among the different peoples. Most of the time it doesn't matter because there's control. So there's a kind of fiefdom in Karachi. Islamabad lets Karachi be run by the Mohajirs as long as they don't question the Punjabis.

Reasons why i think Taliban is ISI and Pakistan Army in Disguise.

When Pakistan can handover Swat to Taliban, why does India's rule in so called IOK bother it so much?

If Pak army cannot fight against Taliban, Why not open up the borders with India and let Indian army take on the Taliban?

If Pak's nuclear missiles cannot save it from being overtaken by Taliban, then what is the use of having nuclear missiles? They might as well give it up. This is like being prepared to fight an elephant while an ant can easily destroy you.

Taliban is nothing but a face of Pak army and ISi backed armed men who are brainwashed and want to just spread medivial age rule of Islam and kill the free world and its free thinking ability.

Its so damm clear, what are the Intelligence agencies doing? Do we even have anyone seriously trying to understand the Pak puzzle and solve it for a better life in India and south Asia?

all that seems to happen is endless india complaints about pakistan

Why don't you get the government you want into power, by underhand means if necessary and do what has to be done?

no body else behaves in a noble manner why do you?

pakistan this or pakistan that, what are you doing about it?

organise yourself use lies if you have to but get the job done.

you wont dela with this by being nice or "fair" do what has to be done and finish the job.

pakistan is playing the world for chumps? well they are getting away with it.

what is the point your making?

they want this.
what do you want?
fight pakistan?
government not doing what you want? then get another government that will.

stop your bleeding heart bullshit, and go after them.

if you want this badly enough, what are you prepared to do about it?

otherwise fuck off

Mr Eagle If u cannot have a discussion without using abusive language then pls dont waste ur time on these forums.

Do you even stay in India? My bet is u dont and u are constantly addressing people as you indiana, you this, you that.

Thats a disgusting attitude and dont u even know that foreign affairs are always work in progress and never as easy as switching on or off.

Do you even know how many people would suffer if Pak nukes India? Are you ready to come back to India to die?
If not then pls dont ask the normal Indian whos working like a dog all day to sustain his family to watch his family perish in a nuke attack.

Pak needs to be taken out and destroyed but cleverly and not in a one to one battle.

The question now is how clever is the Indian intelligence agencies and Indian government works to attain the goal. You cant just use a jigh rish option just cause u havent explored other options and think like a damm maoist.

Mr Eagle If u cannot have a discussion without using abusive language then pls dont waste ur time on these forums.

Do you even stay in India? My bet is u dont and u are constantly addressing people as you indiana, you this, you that.

Thats a disgusting attitude and dont u even know that foreign affairs are always work in progress and never as easy as switching on or off.

Do you even know how many people would suffer if Pak nukes India? Are you ready to come back to India to die?
If not then pls dont ask the normal Indian whos working like a dog all day to sustain his family to watch his family perish in a nuke attack.

Pak needs to be taken out and destroyed but cleverly and not in a one to one battle.

The question now is how clever is the Indian intelligence agencies and Indian government works to attain the goal. You cant just use a jigh rish option just cause u havent explored other options and think like a damm maoist.

Perhaps, but you have to admit that an issue that has been going on for more than fifty years, and does not show any sigh of slowing or ending is surley a mistake of enormous proportions? And india hs not been able to demonstrate any ability to handle it. The inteligence agencies have not been able to match pakistan, do you agree with this? Pkaistna gets mote money and weapons from america, why is india not able to do something similar?
Also, don't you agree it was a mistake to runa round after america, and isolate your important allies and freinds, such as russia? Al for some impossible promise for america to make india into a super power? Which it cannot. India seems to be played for a fool, and indians are paying a price for it. Now you have the prime minister going to russia to make amends perhaps? A long way round to end up where you were a few years ago. Also, sonia gandhi gets to decide who stays as prime minister? An italian housewife? What, you can't find any indians to run india? What does india owe any one?
Do you agree with this assessment?

Mr Eagle If u cannot have a discussion without using abusive language then pls dont waste ur time on these forums.

Do you even stay in India? My bet is u dont and u are constantly addressing people as you indiana, you this, you that.



If you have nt already figured out , this guy is a European

Pakistan is not much of a country .... actually its a complete anarchy .... the current Zardari government has almost no control of anything .... In practice ISI is a completely independent organization ..... very India centric too .... Armed Tribes hold much of their lands ... the rest are in the hands of Taliban .....

We should pity them not hate them .... Pakistan will collapse one of these days , india need do nothing .....

We should just concentrate on building our security so that ISI and some J&K terrorists dont infiltrate into India .... Taliban and the rest will be taken care of by the US as it effects them too

We should just concentrate on building our security so that ISI and some J&K terrorists dont infiltrate into India .... Taliban and the rest will be taken care of by the US as it effects them too

Dont expect the US to solve our problems. The day it gets messier beyond repair, the US will leave the region and India will then be faced with the taliban monster who just need to be given a religious cocktail bullshit to invade parts of kashmir.

India will then loose a lot of time, money and resources fighting these fanatics.

The fact is that Baloch's are pro Indians and anti Pakistan's Punjabi dominated ISI and army. If Pak can help create a nexus in Bangladesh>nepal> Maoists in India why cant India do the same with Afgan>Baloch>Sindh.

India has to be proactive if it needs to be the superpower of South Asia for a stat, leave alone super power of the world.

Dont expect the US to solve our problems. The day it gets messier beyond repair, the US will leave the region

In this age of missiles that will not happen
US is perennially afraid that some of their nuclear warheads will fall into Taliban's hands ... they ll never leave this region


The fact is that Baloch's are pro Indians and anti Pakistan's Punjabi dominated ISI and army. If Pak can help create a nexus in Bangladesh Maoists in India why cant India do the same with Afgan>Baloch>Sindh.
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War and terrorism will only degrade India ... India can never become a super power through war .... no country can ...... its likely to lead into a nuclear war ... India can then forget about being any power

If we too carry out terrorist attacks through Baloch ... what is the difference between us and them ?

India should concentrate on building its economy .... we can then devolop our Military with the surplus finance .... before that Pak is likely to collapse as a state

Dear Ranger

Its not a single Agenda issue here. The fact that we need to cut out the Islamic cancer that rules Pakistan and is spilling bigtime into our Region is beyond any doubt. Even if it self destructs its gonna spill into India anyway. We need to be proactive in handling such a scenario. Imagine nukes in the hands of fanatic Talibanis. We should aim to get rid of them as soon as possible for our own security. Afghan president Hamid karzai understands this issue and hence hes more Pro India than Pakistan cause he knows Pak's ISI is handling the taliban to keep their islamic propoganda flying high.

Having said that it doesnt mean that we cannot focus on the economy. Ofcourse we have to build our economy in the real sense of the term and have programs that can uplift the life standard of the common man. Unlike the falshy numbers and projection figures shelled out by the finance ministry and the planning commission office means for nothing.

Real estate sector is a scam, stocks are burning the common man cause figures have been hyped manifold(case in point being Satyam),the small scale industry is dying, power crisis, Corruption, Caste/religious divide, china sponsered Maoist threat.

We need to be active on all fronts but security has to be given its rightful importance.


Imagine a US 9/11 type attack in India. Heck Our police dont even have a chopper leave alone rescue operations.

I consider Kashmir issue as the root cause for the extremism in neighbouring country. India being a bigger country in the region did not demonstrate the policy mind set that is expected from a country of this size. Kashmir issue invevitably resulted in what we are seeing today in Pakistan.
India's failure to realize its responsibilities and an understanding of the consequences of its policies has brought this region to where it is today.

Indian policy makers needs to widen their minds and start assessing the catastrophic consequences of its Kashmir policy.

I consider Kashmir issue as the root cause for the extremism in neighbouring country.> Thats like playing the blame game with half cooked knowlegde.
The country Pakistan was born out of religious divide and not on some political or social agenda. The religion of Islam is what bonds the nation of Pakistan and although i have nothing against any religious belifs but when u say the BJP is gonno disintergrate cause it was based on religion then same should apply for the nation of Pak as well.

The problem with something born out of a medivial religion is that it leaves the power not in the hands of the people but in the hands of priests,mullas who are corrupt to the core (cutting across relgions).

Islamic Fanaticism has nothing to do wioth kashmir while Kashmir was used by Pakistani millitary and government to spread their islamic views and continue their medivial mindset of establishing Islam all over the world.

For a religion that doesnt care for its women and children and which still has stone age ideologies, there is no doubt that it feels left alone in the modern progressive world.

So either Islam changes or adopts the changes or it will continue to feel isolated and hence bring out destructive mindsets and millitancy.

Everyone sure is tossing around the the term, "Peace and Security" these days.

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.




to all.

there are lots of good reply i agree with the views the main roots of the terrorism start from the pakistan the pakistan is the country that do not do any work for the terrorism or they try to save the terrorist that are capture by india or other countries